It is the sharing of our collective experience, strength, hope and wisdom inspired by our reading of this big book together that will make a difference in our recovery. Aug 24, 2009 we have a new site come and check us out thursday night big book study. What we know of course is that the big book was bill wilsons baby its a collection of his opinions and beliefs at 34 years sober. Barber conducting an aa big book meeting of course with anonymity of those in attendance. I think this chapter gets ignored quite often, especially by members that feel theyve got a good grasp of the faith business, but it helped me a great deal when i was trying to wrap my brain around step 2. I thought it had to be done precisely as laid out in the big book, and although bill w. Apr 05, 2016 there were lots of suggestions good orderly direction, guidance on demand, group of drunks the last being the most popular with agnostics and atheists. It would be helpful to you as you read along to substitute the word food for alcohol and compulsive eater for alcoholic. Or pick from one of many of the favorite parts we have singled out on our website. The chapter on we agnostics was often suggested by wellmeaning friends, which can, in essence, be summed up as fake it till you make it. Alcoholics anonymous and the big book are registered trademarks of a. Episode eight aa spiritualism vs science references.
We agnostics chapter of the big book religious forums. Alcoholics anonymous big book study the best of aa. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and. Stojakovic, andrea, magdalena walczak, przemyslaw e. Nov 21, 2014 that means we have written a book which we believe to be spiritual as well as moral. One can now listen to the alcoholics anonymous big book from front to back, or by choosing a chapter. Jul 16, 2015 joe and charlie cover the chapter we agnostics from the big book of alcoholics anonymous in such masterly detail. Chapter 4 of the big book, we agnostics, in which bill w argues that recovery requires belief in god, is an insulting mishmash. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists kindle edition by probulos, i. Cieslak, aleksandra trenk, johan skold, joanna zajdel, elahe mirrasekhian et al. This is a long chapter, but like the rest of the big book, the ideas are simple and straightforward. One of the many myths that i was taught about the big book is that its the collective workwords of the original 100 members of aa. We wish to make the 12 steps of alcoholics anonymous part of our. It sounds like they are trying to convert me to something.
Provided to youtube by cdbaby we agnostics alcoholics anonymous alcoholics anonymous. We confessed or shared our shortcomings with another person in confidence. Agnosticism is really the second largest religious belief system in the u. We agnostically inclined would not feel satisfied with a proposal which. We admitted we were licked, that we were powerless over alcohol. Joe mcq teaches step 1 from the big book of alcoholics anonymous. We may not beleive in the supernatural but we believe in you. After a few years, someone told him about another man who was equally enthusiastic about the big book. Reading guide for we agnostics amethyst recovery center. They are not aa approved, but are aa permitted to use and adapt the aa 12 step program. Atheist in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and 12.
In doing so, the big book also presents a method by which readers can investigate theological questions for themselves. Joe and charlies we agnostics big book step study my. Taken from the book alcoholics anonymous frequently called the big book. The individual sections of this study guide material reflect ideas, emotions and attitudes you might hear from the mouth of that old timer over in the corner. Our goal is to study the steps as a friendly, focused group, and work them as the authors of the big book described.
Joe and charlie big book workshop part 18 gemma b, a very funny woman who. A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book how could there possibly be a god when there are so many starving people and wars where everybody says god is on their side. In the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. The big book would advise you, however, not to be too perturbed by these references. During any such meeting to study the aa big book, you would expect to encounter a wide variety of viewpoints on the portions under consideration. For many of us that seems to be an impossible task. We want to be defined by principles and not what we dont believe. And it means, of course, that we are going to talk about god. So it was comforting to learn that we could commence at a simpler level. And perhaps thats why we see this in the big book at the end of the. The 2001 census data showed that the percentage of atheists, agnostics, humanists, adherents of no religion, etc rose from 12.
A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book. Oct 05, 2014 when i first approached this step, i was concerned with doing it exactly right. That means we have written a book which we believe to be spiritual as well as moral. This is the actual we agnostics, not a repeat of a doctors opinion. With god to illinois,lets start praying again, etc. This is because we agnostics includes terms such as creative intelligence, which would appear not to gel with the notion that we are allowed to accept the greater scientific universe as the higher power of our choosing. The 164 and more book, ebook, and web site are all concordances which display passages from the big book alcoholics anonymous, the twelve steps and twelve traditions, and the a. Agnostic musings for 12 step life joe c published by. Agnostic in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and 12. Especially, as that word gets used by individuals who embrace traditional religious concepts of what it means to them. Beth and dan conduct a workshop on the chapter we agnostics at an. The two men began to study the book together, and over time, other members of aa. I guess i was a bit of a fundamentalist at the time and feared that it.
Pp 5354 we agnostics the faith of reason the eaa group. Four short years before writing this chapter, the principal author, bill w. Aa speakers joe and charlie we agnostics the big book comes alive. These are posted as an aid to the blind, those who have difficulty reading or who are remote from meetings either in prison or in hard to reach places. Oct, 2016 that being said, when most people think of addiction recovery, they will typically envision a group of people sitting in a circle, working together to refrain from using drugs and alcohol by practicing the principles of the 12steps which were first laid out in the big book of alcoholics anonymous aa. Ideal for those who find difficulty reading, an audio version of the big book in mp3 format. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholicproblems and explain our fellowship. Many aa agnostics have found these books to be useful and enlightening. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading the big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. Bernard basset is a jesuit, and the author of many other books such as we neurotics,born for friendship.
Jan 29, 2017 after a few years, someone told him about another man who was equally enthusiastic about the big book. The goal of these video uploads is to encourage athome participation. Nov 05, 2015 provided to youtube by cdbaby we agnostics alcoholics anonymous alcoholics anonymous. Big book alcoholics anonymous chapter 4 we agnostics pages 44 57. Bible verses about agnostics bible verses related to agnostics from the king james version kjv by relevance sort by book order.
Chapter 4 we agnostics page 40 for either case, atheist or agnostic, we are going to have to find some way to have this spiritual experience, and to use this power greater than human power. I also dont approve of the big book saying i dont know who god is. Nov 14, 2018 welcome to we agnostics a weekly dose of recovery for the nonreligious. May 21, 2008 in its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward spiritual and religious matters. It is dedicated to those who want recovery from alcoholism, but have difficulty with the word god.
Chapter 4, we agnostics, is truly a remarkable piece of writing. Aa speakers joe and charlie we agnostics the big book. The purpose of this study guide is to enable the student to better understand the information the authors of the book, alcoholics anonymous, intended to impart to each of us based on their experience and knowledge of alcoholism and. Mar 29, 2018 i know it wont be an overnight thing, or if it will even ever happen, but we have to consider that if aa helps 510%, and there are 15% agnostics in the us population, maybe 2025 among alcoholics, i think we tend to be more of an ungodly bunch, this leaves, give or take, around 70% who are not helped by aa and who are not necessarily not.
So far weve listed earlier secular books for we agnostics in aa. The 1996 canadian census only counted 21,975 agnostics. Although these books are not written specifically for the agnostic, they use nonjudgemental direct language and are higherpower neutral. Big book workbook is for those who are willing to grow along spiritual lines 60. What about those sanctimonious church goers who judge me for my sins and then commit their own. I was in my midtwenties when i got sober, certainly an adult, but lacking the confidence and. Aa big book ch 4 we agnostics 4th edition duration.
They summarized what they learned from the oxford group in six simple principles. Suspended we agnostics austin aa hill country intergroup. We hope we have made clear the distinction between the alcoholic and the nonalcoholic. M download it once and read it on your kindle device, pc, phones or tablets. We agnostics assignment we have covered the first and second components of the disease of alcoholism. This is a study guide to the book alcoholics anonymous. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholic problems and explain our fellowship.
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